What do you hate/like the most about Windows?

[acemaverick1381]

The topic says it all. What do you like the most about Windows, and what do you hate about the ruling OS of the world?

[neb1211]

I think I speak for everyone when I say that I hate the security holes the most.

[delerious]

Free updates and security patches .Too many delays on Longhorn, and crappy music that they put in with WMA(won't be a problem cause WMA won't come preinstalled in Windows anymore).

[neb1211]

and crappy music that they put in with WMA(won't be a problem cause WMA won't come preinstalled in Windows anymore).

That will be so nice.  The sad thing is tho that the WMA format will probably be dominate for a long time and Microsoft will sue anyone who tries to incorporate the ability to play WMA files in a third party media player.

[acemaverick1381]

Why don't we just install WMA, keep the codecs and delete everything else? That should be a way to view WMA files and get rid of the horrible player.

[neb1211]

Why don't we just install WMA, keep the codecs and delete everything else? That should be a way to view WMA files and get rid of the horrible player.

That is a good idea but the question is will it work?

[acemaverick1381]

Okay, who wants to delete everything but the codecs on their computer?

[mipadi]

• It's too big, bulky, and slow. Too much legacy software code.
• Major security problems.
• Those damn little yellow balloons that pop up all the time.
• It keeps asking me to tie my XP account to my MSN Passport. What, just because I use a Microsoft products means I want to use all of MS's services?
• Clunky, unrefined, disorganized interface and filesystem.
• It tries to do too much.
• Wizards. They treat me like I am stupid. A better idea would be making things easy enough to do that you can do them without a wizard.
• The taskbar becomes cluttered too easily.
• Software requires an installation and an uninstall program. It's not the mid-90s anymore, I should just be able to drag my applications around.
• It doesn't play nice with other systems. Windows likes to be in control, and other systems have to play nice with it, or not at all.

That's all I can think of right now. Maybe more will come later.

[neb1211]

I like its overall user friendliness and compatibility (with hardware and software but not other operating systems)

[acemaverick1381]

Wizards. They treat me like I am stupid. A better idea would be making things easy enough to do that you can do them without a wizard.

Really? Because last time we talked about Operating Systems, you hated that Linux "had a high learning curve" With Linux, you will never see a wizard, unless you choose to use one. I'm sure its the same with Mac as well.

[neb1211]

There is a difference between Linux having no wizards and windows having wizards.  Linux is jsut overall hard to use.  Windows is easy enough to use without the wizards.  Plus you don't need a wizard for every single thing you want to do.  I am supraised that there isn't a wizard on how to use your start menu.

[acemaverick1381]

Its called the help file. And also in Winows 95, there was.  

[mipadi]

Really? Because last time we talked about Operating Systems, you hated that Linux "had a high learning curve" With Linux, you will never see a wizard, unless you choose to use one. I'm sure its the same with Mac as well.

Right. I also don't like an operating system that requires you to crack open a manual every time you want to install a new font.

[Picchioni]

Oh man I need a soap box for this one!!!
OK I won't give the whole bible on this one just a couple of chapters

1) The million security holes that windows has are so huge you could drive a semi-truck through is just a start!!!
2) Not to mention the Trillion other holes that are still big enough to drive an SUV through
3) Bill Gates stole the GUI OS interface from Steve Jobs and Woz.
4) Windows is extremely buggy
5) The software is to expensive
6) I just hate windows in general
7) Oh & we all remember Windows ME & and how big of a disaster tha was LMAO

Oh wait I have 2 pros about microsoft
1) Halo Series
2) Fight Simulator Series

Those are the only good things that have ever come from microsoft

Everyone should just buy a Mac

[delerious]

Macs cost too much. Use Tux or Windows (maybe both on occasions). I don't update Windows, and nothing bad happens. I just run a firewall behind a hardware firewall, so I have rarely had too much problems NOW on my machine.

[neb1211]

I still update windows even though I am behind a really good hardware firewall.  A quick note about software firewalls.  They are not going to stop a virus or trojan from "phoning home".  A well written virus or trojan would be able to fool the software firewall into letting it through.

[acemaverick1381]

3) Bill Gates stole the GUI OS interface from Steve Jobs and Woz.

What? Gates got the idea for the GUI from working on OS/2 with IBM. When that deal went south he improved it, and used it on Windows 95. Psh...Steve Jobs... And even with OS/2, Microsoft was writing the GUI, IBM the code behind it.

[pvr02]

Why don't we just install WMA, keep the codecs and delete everything else? That should be a way to view WMA files and get rid of the horrible player.

That is a good idea but the question is will it work?

It is possible to do that.  I've seen it done with Quicktime and Realplayer.  I haven't come across one yet for WMA.  I'll see if I can find anything.

[neb1211]

Why don't we just install WMA, keep the codecs and delete everything else? That should be a way to view WMA files and get rid of the horrible player.

That is a good idea but the question is will it work?

It is possible to do that.  I've seen it done with Quicktime and Realplayer.  I haven't come across one yet for WMA.  I'll see if I can find anything.

Hey pvr, I think you posted your reply in the wrong thread    

[pvr02]

Its the right thread.  You guys were talking about it a few posts above.  However you weren't sure if it was possible.  I was just stating that it is, but i haven't found anyone that has done it probably because all versions of windows already have it.

[neb1211]

Lol.  I thought we were talking about this in a different thread.

[Picchioni]

I still update windows even though I am behind a really good hardware firewall.  A quick note about software firewalls.  They are not going to stop a virus or trojan from "phoning home".  A well written virus or trojan would be able to fool the software firewall into letting it through.

1st to that guy that has 2 firewalls. That can actually do more harm then good. I would dump the software firewall and keep the hardware one in my opnion.

2nd to ace. Jobs and Woz were the 1st ones to create a GUI interface

[acemaverick1381]

Even if they were, so what? Does that mean that no one else in the world can use a GUI?

Thats not really the point though. You said that Gates stole the interface from Woz. The Windows GUI and the Mac GUI hardly look alike. And the point is, Gates did not steal it from them, he used his ideas from OS/2 to make the GUI.

[mipadi]

Even if they were, so what? Does that mean that no one else in the world can use a GUI?

Thats not really the point though. You said that Gates stole the interface from Woz. The Windows GUI and the Mac GUI hardly look alike. And the point is, Gates did not steal it from them, he used his ideas from OS/2 to make the GUI.

Actually, he did. Microsoft helped Apple develop the Macintosh operating system, and through a legal loophole in the contract were able to take Apple's intellectual property and use it to create a windowing system for DOS, which subsquently became Windows. It's not possible for Microsoft to have developed the GUI from OS/2 because Windows was out before OS/2 even started development. However, it is true that Microsoft took some of the work they did with IBM on OS/2 and used it in subsequent versions of Windows, then severed their ties with IBM; hence, since about 1990, IBM and Microsoft have had a rather rocky relationship.

(Here is a link to the history of Windows and another one to the history of OS/2. Note that Windows 1.0 was released in November of 1985, whereas OS/2 1.0 was not released until December of 1987. Compare also to the Macintosh, which was released in January of 1984.)

[acemaverick1381]

Like I said before, so what? Does that mean that no one in the entire world is allowed to use a GUI? OSX and Windows look nothing alike, nor do they even function alike. KDE functions differently then all of them. No two GUI's are alike. And yes, Microsoft did work on the GUI to help OS/2. But like you said, after awhile the deal went sour. Maybe that is wh IBM is starting to take the high road and offer Linux, eh? Even if Windows debuted before OS/2, that does not mean that Microsoft did not have a hand in the GUI development.